We Love Religion, But Not Forcing It On Others!

I urge the United States of America to not force religion on citizens. Currently our government is not following its own Constitution, particularly the 1st Amendment. In the Constitution’s First Amendment, it states that the government shall not create, impose, or force religious beliefs on the citizens.

The government has imposed an immoral, illegal, unconstitutional, and un-Biblical religion of hate against marijuana, mushrooms, peyote, and other all-natural, unadulterated plants.

This government-imposed religion is yet another failed attempt by the self-righteous to lord authority over others. But what happens each time they try to control everyone? It fails. Greed seizes the opportunity for quick, cash, tax-free, deals. Turf battles ensue. Battles escalate. Law enforcement escalates. Battles multiply. Deaths multiply.

It was recently pointed out on a very conservative religious show, for many years they have been trying to work their beliefs in to laws, and to elect even presidents, to do their religious bidding. But they were quite upset with how Bush handled things.

I was upset at the thought of it before G. W. Bush was elected the first time!

Related to this issue is the religion of greed. I hate greed. Just like drug prohibition has caused a myriad of unfortunate and deadly consequences, greed too has brought the USA and world to a ruinous state.

End this religion of greed, forcing indebtedness on others! Greed is also a driving force behind prohibition, greedy politicians and corporations pushing their own drugs, and greedy black-market drug dealers pushing theirs!

President Barack Obama, end this immoral, illegal, unconstitutional, and un-Biblical religion of hate against marijuana, mushrooms, peyote, and other all-natural, unadulterated plants!

In the name of the Amen,

Amen.

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Not forcing religion others

By not ending it, Obama is the biggest hypocrite of all!

As far as the title goes, I feel no one should be forced to listen to "witnessing" forced upon them. Live your life right, and if someone asks, then tell them. I do not feel like casting my pearls before swine, as referred to the Bible! But, I also know a lot of people who have been fed false doctrine, including the Baptists. When it comes to alcohol, their claim that it is forbidden in the Bible, is not factually correct! True Christians are temperance people, not prohibitionists. Even the Temperance movement was hijacked back in the early 1900's. Why did they think they could prohibit alcohol when God did not even attempt to do so? It did not work out so well then, either! It happens, to be, that a member, of the Women's Christian Temperance League, was involved in leading the country out of alcohol prohibition!

Too many have forgotten that Christians are not perfect, either. The only way God can see us is through the perfection that the sacrifice of His Son's blood supplied for us. Salvation was given to us. I am one of those who believes that if you believe the story about Jesus, you are one of His. All sins can be forgiven. Except denying the Holy spirit. That is because if you don't listen to the leading of the spirit, you might just end up not believing. Thus, you condemn yourself. The only "unforgivable" sin!

Amazing , isn't it. It leaves a lot of room for God to "forgive us our trespasses"! There should be fewer sins, while living a Godly life. But, we (none of us), are perfect. We do falter in our walk..

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You Described It Very Well

I feel no one should be forced to listen to "witnessing" forced upon them.
You described it very well. Like you point out later, the Holy Spirit can move us and let us know when it's a good time to speak (or not), and what to say.

But there are quite a few people who haven't bridled their enthusiasm with intelligence, and they use their tongues to whip others to get on the path, even though they themselves are not on it.

To me this points to the prophecies near the end of Luke 12.

Jesus does warn against his believers being drunk, however, my impression is Jesus is more concerned about those drunk with power vs. those drunk with alcohol. Of course I am not saying Jesus advises getting drunk on liquid alcohol, but anyone familiar with the NT Gospels realizes Jesus drank alcohol, but also realizes that Jesus' fiercest rage was against those in authority, those drunk with it.

So even though they may be teetotalers who avoid alcohol, never smoked a joint, don't take aspirin, etc… if they claim to follow Jesus, but beat the servants, thump their chests over how righteous they are, wish executions for drug dealers, etc… they are cruisin' for a bruisin'.

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US Military Inquisition

2009-05-26 — Update!

It seem the HuffingtonPost.com didn’t do all the homework that FactCheck.org does before publishing. So while my editorial comments below still stand, the information on which it was based was found to be misleading. It may be helpful for you to read the reply to this comment first, for the whole background.

To make it more clear the editorial below should be taken with a grain of salt, at least the source, not the point of it, I will blockquote the whole thing.

Here is a link to a story that will make those of us who agree with the above essay, angry.

It seems that instead of taking our military out of foreign lands, the military (or at least some in it) have set their sites on being evangelists carrying guns. The Huffington Post writes in a story titled “US Soldiers in Afghanistan Told to ‘Hunt People for Jesus... So We Get Them into the Kingdom’” that some in the military are telling others to convert these people from Islam to Christianity.

I am not sure of the rules the military has made up for itself, but I am sure it must follow the Constitution, and this is a clear violation of it!

I’m not sure who to feel the most sorry for, the kids in uniform who are being brainwashed by these directions, the people who are giving them who are headed for only pain for not heeding Jesus’ advice, the people of Afghanistan who have to hear about Yeshua from someone holding a gun and decked out in weaponry, us normal Christians who have to put up with the backlash this is sure to create.

Dear President Barack Obama,

So many aspects of our government are like attack dogs now. Mean. Angry. So sure they are right. The war on drugs. The war in Iraq. The war in Afghanistan. War war war! Enough already!

Be the boss of these people that you are and slap that dog and put it in it’s place!

I live in a neighborhood where neighbors’ dogs bark at me while I’m in my own yard! I have been attacked a number of times by these evil dogs running out of their yards and barking their lungs out at me, teeth glaring, and they are ready to bite me! This is an outrage, and an obvious parallel.

Not only do you need to seriously discipline the dogs of war, but you need to do something to encourage our own citizens to not be so distrusting of others they feel the need to put blood-thirsty dogs in their yards. I’m about to become very vocal with my HUGE displeasure in this once decent country of ours; so filled with the self-righteous who are so convinced they know what’s best for everyone else they must legislate their beliefs on the rest of us and tax us beyond death to pay for their evil weaponry that only makes the Devil proud! (While putting enormous sums of money in the pockets of people who just turn around and lobby govt. to be even more hypocritical!)

Tell me, do you think Jesus is proud of these guys/gals trying to spread “the word?”

To me, this evokes the memory of one of Jesus’ very angry moments as recorded in the Bible, Matthew 23:15:

Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

How much love do you think it inspires to be converted by someone decked out to the nth degree in military attire carrying all sorts of weaponry?

Maybe someone can point me to where in the Bible it says that God loves armies? It doesn’t and in fact over and over the prophets talk about the disasters awaiting armies. How about this from Isaiah 34:2-3:

The LORD is angry with all nations; his wrath is upon all their armies. He will totally destroy them, he will give them over to slaughter.

Their slain will be thrown out, their dead bodies will send up a stench; the mountains will be soaked with their blood.

PLEASE STOP ALL THESE WARS!!! And start with the war on our own citizens and in countries to our south, the damed evil “war on drugs!”

— This has been a public service announcement.

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Important Update!

FactCheck.org has published their investigation and analysis on this event recent uproar, which seems to have formed due to different people.

  1. people who are looking to discredit Barack Obama,
  2. people who are looking to discredit Christians,
  3. people who are looking to discredit the U.S. Military.

Their findings? “The military destroyed Bibles printed in Afghan languages to prevent distribution to local Muslims. But it happened during the Bush administration.”

Be sure to read the rest of their findings. Of note is “Furthermore, contrary to Klingenschmitt’s claim that the Bibles could “legally” have been distributed to local Afghans, military officials say such distribution would have violated longstanding Pentagon policy against religious proselytizing by U.S. armed forces.”

The FactCheck.org includes a number of links in the analysis including a link to YouTube.com showing the Al Jazeera broadcast that seems to have been the reason for the brouhaha. Too bad they didn't do their homework first.

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I want to commend you on your fact finding excursion. It sounds correct that US military personnel should not be used in proselytizing! I am glad to see it was just propaganda and lies, started by Al Jezeera? Not only would we be trying procure peace at the end of a barrel of a gun. We would be "witnessing" with one, as well? Glad to see it was not true!

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Same Here

As I think we both have said before, one is always "witnessing." We are not light bulbs that should be turned off when not in use. :-)

No matter what we do, we are basing it on some kind of thought, belief, or philosophy.

Beating someone over the head with "The Truth" often does more to drive others away vs. drawing them close.

Good to hear from you!

Everyone brings up the

Everyone brings up the Constitution’s First Amendment when it talks about forcing religious beliefs on the citizens, and everyone forgets the other little part, "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

Christians that are truly against the prohibition of cannabis are afraid to take back the unalienable right given to us from our Creator. The free exercise of using all seed-bearing plants to consume. Would I want to consume poison sumac, heck no, but the government has no right forcing the prohibition of it either.

We that understand this are trumped by the government that wants to create a billion, if not trillion, dollar black market. They continue to spread disinformation and misinformation to the conservatives and so we find ourselves at odds with our Christian brothers and sisters on the subject. This is a stumbling block for our weaker brothers and sisters. To fight against this travesty under the banner of Christianity causes us to offend them when in fact the responsible moderate use of these gifts of God is fine as long as we give thanks and keep it primarily between ourselves and God.

The government's law is at odds with God's law when it comes to seed-bearing plants. Take the power back!

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Welcome Gene

Fortunately I've never had poison sumac, but I have eaten sumac berries raw and furry and wow, talk about sour! Although I think I have had some sumac jelly or preserves with sugar added and fuzz removed, it was still quite tart.

Christians that are truly against the prohibition of cannabis are afraid to take back the unalienable right given to us from our Creator.
Hm… my guess is you left out a "not" between "are" and "afraid." As in, "Christians that are truly against the prohibition of cannabis are not afraid to take back the unalienable right given to us from our Creator." Yes, and that is not the only reason to end the Drug War for sure. Be sure to check out my "Drug War Tree and Fruit" flyer.

Just sign up at the website and in the future any little typos (I make many myself) can be fixed fairly easily. People who sign up can edit their posts later.

They continue to spread disinformation and misinformation to the conservatives and so we find ourselves at odds with our Christian brothers and sisters on the subject. This is a stumbling block for our weaker brothers and sisters. To fight against this travesty under the banner of Christianity causes us to offend them when in fact the responsible moderate use of these gifts of God is fine as long as we give thanks and keep it primarily between ourselves and God.

Yes, there are many very unfortunate casualties in the Drug War. Truth being one of them. As far as offending them, well, there's a quote from Jesus about that… I will fight against the Drug War with every reason I can think of, religious or not. If I was Buddhist I would use that perspective, if I was Muslim I would use that religion, if I was Hindu I would use that religion. And in fact, like this essay is titled, I love religion, so I often enjoy hearing others' perspective on God; this allows me to be able to try to reach others who are not Christian.

In person I try to speak to whatever level and ability to grasp reasons I perceive the others to be able to handle, letting them lead the conversation. I agree that it's not good to be rude, in-your-face, and all the negative aspects of offensive, but it's also important to remember that Jesus said we are the salt of the earth, and if the salt looses its saltiness, it's not fit for much but being tossed out.

Here at the website I've tried to write to all levels of acceptance that the Drug War is counter-productive and against God's will. Coming before too long I hope will be a redesigned home page with essays categorized in such a way as to facilitate the education of people on each level. But this is more than just a graphical do-over, it also means I have to consider adding another means to categorize essays… stay tuned!

You guys...

You guys are ridiculous. You are using the argument that because you are not allowed to indulge in using harmful substances the government is being hypocritical?! Wake up and smell the peyote. You are completely uneducated if you believe this would stand up in any court, let alone congress.

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Thanks for laugh. Actually

Thanks for laugh. Actually it seems you have a few basic assumptions that are wrong:

  • Not all illegal drugs are harmful.
  • Those which are harmful are made more harmful due to prohibition.
  • Not all drug use is drug abuse. Similar to the fact that not everyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic.
  • That you think you have any right to go beyond friendly advice as to what another adult puts in his/her body; that you think it is justified to lock people up and screw them over because you disagree with what another adult puts in his/her body.
  • Yes, the people who bullied our govt. to adopt un-constitutional laws are being hypocrites against the very founding documents of the USA and the Bible.
  • Others know more than me about this point, but apparently the laws on which drug prohibition rests were never meant for such efforts, and even contradict other stances our government has taken with regard to prohibition. Search NORML.org and other drug policy reform organization's websites for "interstate commerce."
  • Last but not least, let's turn to the Bible.
  • Scripture clearly mentions this evil prohibition against God's plants by the Holier-Than-Thou Congregation.
  • Please take a look at a number of other essays and polls to figure out how uneducated I am, then report back to me with specifics please. Just saying I am "completely uneducated" is, frankly, uneducated. Since clearly I can set up a website, and speak in a coherent manner. Here are some simple essays to inspect to do some introspection:
  • Finally if you are a religious person I highly suggestion you check out the Old Testament and the concept of "usury." It's mentioned in many places, both in "the law" and by raging prophets.
  • Be sure to checkout the FRONTLINE documentary which shows it from an areligious angle.
  • Here's more information which points out that "payday" loan interest rates are beyond usury if there is such a measure, slavery perhaps.

Bottom line? You are mistaken on many issues.

(In fairness, perhaps the link you provided is not to your website, but just something you typed in to make me think so, thus I removed the link to the website.)

Thanks for sharing an

Thanks for sharing an enlightening blog. With regards to religion, we should respect what others what to believe in and besides we have our freedom in choosing a religion.

Are you kidding me?

Every country is founded and based on some religious beliefs. Our was. So I am surprised that you are so upset and fighting those same religious beliefs. And it doesn't matter if you are talking about pot or cigs both are bad just one is "legal" and the other isn't. They all should be illegal. Just because they are here on the earth doesn't mean Heavenly Father meant for us to smoke them. And don't get me started on the legal perscription drugs, man made and harmful if abused.

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You Are Kidding Yourself, Please Wake Up

Clearly you chose to completely ignore every point I raised in my previous reply. Why? Too tough to face the truth?

You are wrong in these other ways:

  • Not every country was founded on religious beliefs.
  • The ultimate good foundation for a successful society is now completely ignored for the most part, and does not require anyone to believe in any god: The Golden Rule.
  • As is often the case many religions are puppets to those in power. Take the first gun-toting invaders of the western hemisphere; mainly it was people seeking wealth, including some amazingly bloodthirsty men with gold lust, fully supported by the Roman Catholic Church.
  • The quaint religious folks who moved to North America, based on my understanding, just wanted to worship as they chose, perhaps share it with interested parties, but certainly not force it on others. But as time progressed, thugs rose up and took over, thus making these pacifists look like thugs.
  • See all the bullet points in my previous post which you have completely ignored.

Please itemize which religious beliefs you think I am fighting. My guess is that you will ignore this as you've ignored my previous post.

Clearly you have no concept of the ramifications of prohibition. You have NO RIGHT to demand other adults abstain from activities where they are only involving themselves or another consenting adult. Clearly you have overlooked many important lessons from Bible. How many times did Jesus say we are to gain political power and force our personal perspectives of religion into law? How many lashes did Jesus say we are to give others who don't think or act like us?

If you think they are bad, then let them be that way for you. May you never have access to what you deny others.

But just as this essay states, the hatred of God's Green Earth and the plants it contains is an EVIL RELIGION OF HATE. And I can tell you now that those who trash it, rape it, and overpopulate it will find themselves on the sorry end of their own behaviors.

What we are trying to do is straighten our crooked government, being bent beyond reason by thug addicts. Bring down the religious thugs who spit in Jesus' face and are hell bent on trying to force their version of the Old Testament Law into our government, and we are trying to help the people who have been unrighteously shamed, abused, imprisoned, spied on and stalked by sick minds who think they are doing God's will.

Haven't you read what Jesus said about those in charge of God's vineyard? Matthew 21, Mark 12, Luke 20.

All of the plants currently under this EVIL RELIGION OF HATE have beneficial uses. But just like cars, horses, airplanes, your own body parts, computers, the air we breathe and the water we drink, it can be misused. But just because something has the possibility of being used in ways you do not like, is no reason to prohibit it. Judge right judgement, as Jesus said.

Those who bury the information of how these plants are beneficial, which includes you I guess, will find themselves in this situation: Matthew 25, the parable of the talents.

EVIL people have hidden the truth and influence (inter)national media to not report on the benefits of marijuana and the benefits of other vilified plants, they bury this information, and they even literally bury these plants! Jesus' prophecies speak directly to this! But the deaf, dumb, and blind, religious hypocrites continue to ignore Jesus. Read Matthew 25 and see for yourself what happens to those who do not repent of this evil behavior of theirs.

And even if you think it was not God who made these plants, but the Devil, I still encourage you to read it, because the "wicked, lazy servant" readily admits "I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed." What does this mean? It means that even if God did not make those plants — which I patently disagree with — God still takes those plants as his own and gives them to those of us who believe in him. I write as much in this essay: The Evil Lie Purporting That Marijuana is "Devil's Weed."

"And don't get me started on the legal perscription drugs, man made and harmful if abused."
You are also wrong here too.

  1. Not everyone who "abuses" them is harmed.
  2. They can be harmful and deadly to those who do not "abuse" them. Thousands? Tens of thousands? of people die every year who were NOT "abusing" them, but taking them as their doctors prescribed.
  3. Many? Most? of those pills are not man-made, they are merely human-refined. Many? Most? of those pills find their origins in plants and animals.

Please, do your homework!

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Why Islam Collapses Too

So I am surprised that you are so upset and fighting those same religious beliefs.

I am not of the mind I need people who consider themselves more "conservative," "radical," or "fundamental" to fight for me. Just like Jesus opposed the religious leaders, law givers, zealots, and hypocrites of his time who were preaching teachings against God's will, I too feel I must do the same.

I do not see the world like some do, as a battle of religions, predominantly Muslim and Christianity. Clearly, based on the OT and NT, God judges each person as an individual, not as a member of some group the individual claimed to belong to.

Moderate Muslims who are glad that the radicals are spreading their religion are going to find themselves unpleasantly surprised when the radicals show up at their doorstep and do not accept their moderate views, but have come to force their own "conservative," "pure," etc… version of Islam. I guess there are probably some moderate Muslims who probably are waging "war" in the hearts and minds of other Muslims to talk them out of being so radical and forcing their religion on others, so the saying goes "more power to them."

As far as I'm concerned, all groups who consider themselves the "conservative," or "fundamentalist" versions of their religions will meet similar fates; God did not tell us to force our wills on others! We are to discuss and talk; God (and Jesus) many places in the Bible say they search hearts and minds.

God gave us freewill and allows us to use it. It is only evil humans who perverted God's will and decide to force their wills on others. And for sure, making laws to punish people for consuming various plants, and punishing them by tarnishing their reputation, and/or putting them in prison is pure evil. Yes, it says you know better than God, do you?

So back to the opening statement you made. This is the exact same thing I "hear" (in my imagination) fundamentalist/conservative Muslims saying to the moderate Muslims. And unless the moderate Muslims stand up to them, putting their killing sprees to an end, they too will find what Jesus prophesied is true. A time is coming, and is here, where those who kill us think they are doing a service for God. John 16:2.

I will take this opportunity to again ask you to itemize the religious beliefs you think I am fighting against.